Brien Lundin: Expect Gargantuan Stimulus When ‘Something Breaks’ Under Today’s High Rates

Wealthion, Released on 9/13/23

The last time today’s guest expert was on this channel, he warned that rising interest rates would cause a surge in the debt service cost on America’s national debt — and that THAT would perhaps be the destabilizing trigger that would “break something” and force a policy pivot by the Federal Reserve. Well, the first half of that prediction has proven correct. Interest on the national debt is on track to exceed $1 trillion in 2025 — that’s more than a doubling vs last fiscal year. So, what about the second part of the prediction? Will higher debt service costs – for the government, for corporations, for consumers — be the straw that breaks the economy’s back? And if so, what will the repercussions be? To discuss, we welcome back to the program Brien Lundin, CEO of Jefferson Financial, publisher of and producer of the excellent New Orleans Investment Conference.

0:00 Rising interest rates will cause a debt crisis.
5:27 Higher interest rates and corporate debt.
9:59 How much longer will interest rates continue to rise?
16:47 Predictions for the next recession.
24:07 Current state of the precious metals market.
33:24 How many more boom-bust cycles can we expect from gold?
38:21 Central banks still buying gold at record levels.
42:00 Mining stocks are leveraged to the price of gold.
47:45 The current state of the mining sector.
52:48 What is the Gold Newsletter and how to subscribe?
57:31 The New Orleans Investment Conference.

Brien Lundin serves as president and CEO of Jefferson Financial, Inc., a highly regarded producer of investment-oriented events and publisher of investment newsletters and special reports. Under the Jefferson Financial umbrella, Mr. Lundin serves as publisher and editor of Gold Newsletter, the publication that has been the cornerstone of precious metals advisories since 1971, and as the host of the annual New Orleans Investment Conference, the oldest and most respected investment event of its kind. In addition to his responsibilities with Jefferson Financial, Mr. Lundin is an active investor and speculator in the mining and technology sectors.

Adam Taggart is the Founder of Wealthion. He is also Co-Founder and former President of Peak Prosperity. Adam is an experienced Silicon Valley internet executive and Stanford MBA. Prior to partnering with Chris Martenson (Adam was General Manager of our earlier site,, he was a Vice President at Yahoo!, a company he served for nine years. Before that, he did the ‘startup thing’ (, sold to CNET in 2001). As a fresh-faced graduate from Brown University in the early 1990s, Adam got a first-hand look at all that was broken with Wall Street as an investment banking analyst for Merrill Lynch. Most importantly, he’s a devoted husband and dad.

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